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        – Hey, I'm Brian Tome,
senior pastor at Crossroads.
       
    
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        Welcome, glad
you're with us today.
       
    
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        Today, we're going to
have Brian Head Welch
       
    
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        from the band Korn talk
about meth, metal and Jesus.
       
    
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        You might go, "Korn?
Heavy metal? Meth?
       
    
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        What is that all about?"
       
    
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        This is part of what
I love about Brian.
       
    
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        He's been a friend
of mine for years.
       
    
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        And part of what
I love about today.
       
    
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        We want to strip
away the religiosity.
       
    
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        We want to stop just
saying the nice things
       
    
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        that people in church
are supposed to say.
       
    
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        We want to talk about
things that are real,
       
    
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        things are in our lives in a way
       
    
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        that normal people
do on their back deck.
       
    
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        That's what we're
going to do today
       
    
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        to try to get you
and I to a new place.
       
    
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        Brian's a great friend.
       
    
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        He's got some good stuff for us.
       
    
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        Let's get started.
       
    
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        – You're on.
       
    
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        – Special guest to
the stage, please.
       
    
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        Special guest to the stage.
       
    
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        – Is this thing on?
       
    
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        – I had friends who invited me
       
    
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        to have dinner with
you a few years ago,
       
    
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        and it was great.
       
    
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        We've downed a lot
of calories together,
       
    
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        a lot of calories.
       
    
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        And they said, "Well, he
has this documentary out."
       
    
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        And I'm kind of a
documentary buff.
       
    
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        – Me, too.
       
    
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        – But I wasn't all
that excited about it,
       
    
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        because I knew ahead
of time it was going to talk
       
    
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        about your coming to Christ.
       
    
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        And Christian documentaries,
       
    
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        "Christian documentaries"
tend to not inspire me.
       
    
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        What I saw was not a
Christian documentary.
       
    
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        It was a documentary
where Christ
       
    
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        was through the whole
thing and I was blown away.
       
    
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        I mean, I'm talking
very, very deeply moved.
       
    
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        And it just made me look forward
       
    
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        to having that first
dinner with you.
       
    
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        And I'm just excited for
people here Crossroads
       
    
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        to get to know you,
       
    
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        hopefully get engaged
with your movie.
       
    
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        Just give us a little
snippet of your life.
       
    
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        Not that we want to
let the cat out of the bag
       
    
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        about your documentary,
but just tell us,
       
    
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        who is Brian Head Welch?
       
    
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        You've got a big head, Keith.
       
    
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        – That's exactly --
       
    
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        – What is that head thing about.
What are you Head Welch for?
       
    
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        – That's why, because my
head grew before my body
       
    
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        when I was 14 and everybody
else was taller than me,
       
    
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        but my head was
bigger than theirs,
       
    
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        puberty, that puberty thing.
       
    
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        So they started calling
me Head because
       
    
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        I was disproportionate
and everything.
       
    
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        And so it was a -- it
was a troubling nickname
       
    
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        when I was a kid, but
when I was in the band,
       
    
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        we wanted nicknames
in our early 20s.
       
    
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        We're still kids.
       
    
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        "Didn't they used
to call you Head?"
       
    
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        I was like, "Yeah,
let's go with that."
       
    
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        You know, I wasn't
very creative,
       
    
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        so I just went backwards.
       
    
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        But, you know,
I just -- I just --
       
    
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        My life, I wanted to be,
we talked about earlier,
       
    
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        AC/DC, I got the
album Back in Black
       
    
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        and I put it on and I heard,
       
    
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        "Back in black, I hit the sack."
       
    
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        And I was like, I
heard the guitar
       
    
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        and I just want to do that.
       
    
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        This is what I want to do.
       
    
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        10 years old, I knew
what I wanted to do.
       
    
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        And so I went for
it and I achieved it.
       
    
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        And we'll get into the story,
       
    
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        but I suffered self-hatred
and depression
       
    
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        since I was a kid,
and I think the music
       
    
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        was like what I hung
on to to make me
       
    
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        feel better about myself
because I got good at it.
       
    
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        And so it just made
me feel like I was better
       
    
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        than the person I looked
and I saw in the mirror.
       
    
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        Know that I -- and
so I hung on to that.
       
    
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        And then when I got
in front of, you know,
       
    
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        sold millions of
records, got in front of
       
    
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        all these thousands of
people, I was insecure.
       
    
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        And so I always wanted
to be masking a love,
       
    
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        you know, kind of
like overshadowed
       
    
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        the self-hatred and the
addictions and everything
       
    
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        and started making me process.
       
    
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        Not that I got clean
       
    
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        and got my life
figured out right away,
       
    
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        but it started, the seed
was planted in like,
       
    
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        "Oh, you can't be
like this forever.
       
    
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        Now you have someone
that needs to look up to you
       
    
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        and you need to be there for."
       
    
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        So it started, you
know, took a few years,
       
    
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        but that seed was planted.
       
    
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        – I wonder what the
rejection you've said
       
    
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        that you felt, the
self-hatred, the bullying,
       
    
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        right around that time when
Jennea, your wife left you,
       
    
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        did that feel you
like another way
       
    
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        that women didn't like
you, or is that another
       
    
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        sense of form of rejection
that hit you deeply?
       
    
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        What did that do for
your spiritual journey?
       
    
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        – That -- hat parts?
       
    
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        – When your marriage dissolved?
       
    
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        – Oh, wow.
       
    
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        So my first girlfriend,
the first real girlfriend,
       
    
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        two years know we
were together, we had
       
    
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        a great, great
relationship early on,
       
    
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        then that self-hatred
and alcoholism
       
    
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        kind of kicked in
around that time, too.
       
    
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        It made me, once I
knew that she was--
       
    
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        I believed that she loved me,
       
    
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        then I got comfortable.
       
    
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        And the anger that I
had towards myself,
       
    
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        I put it onto her and I
started treating her bad.
       
    
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        Anyway, long story short,
I got my heart broken.
       
    
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        Man, I'm a feeler. I feel deep.
       
    
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        And even though I
messed up and I couldn't,
       
    
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        like, keep the
relationships going,
       
    
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        I couldn't treat
people, especially girls,
       
    
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        like I wanted to, I felt it
big time and got suicidal.
       
    
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        And so I stayed
single for a while,
       
    
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        then and I met my wife,
who would be my wife.
       
    
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        And we were off
and on for a while.
       
    
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        But yeah, when she got pregnant
       
    
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        and we wanted to make
this family work, you know,
       
    
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        and be this married
couple that could just
       
    
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        have at least semi happy.
       
    
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        But when she left
me, the divorce,
       
    
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        that was another just blow.
       
    
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        It seemed like I
was always the one
       
    
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        just to stay in
the relationship,
       
    
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        even if it was misery.
I don't know why.
       
    
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        But it was only two
real relationships,
       
    
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        but both of them left me.
       
    
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        And so when my ex-wife
left me, she, you know,
       
    
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        she was broken, she
was a hurting soul.
       
    
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        She ran away at 14
because of just family issues.
       
    
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        So, yeah, that was devastating,
       
    
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        but mainly because she
left her daughter. You know?
       
    
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        She did want to take
her daughter with her,
       
    
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        but she was with some
gang bangers, you know?
       
    
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        And I have high powered lawyers.
       
    
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        I can't -- I wanted
her in her mom's life,
       
    
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        but I couldn't let her,
"Oh, take your daughter."
       
    
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        I cannot let these felons
around my daughter.
       
    
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        There's going to be
some kind of abuse
       
    
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        whether it's physical,
sexual, or something.
       
    
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        So I had to protect
her. You know?
       
    
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        And so I just did what --
       
    
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        I manned up and
did what I could do.
       
    
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        And I tried to
keep her in her life,
       
    
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        you know, supervised,
       
    
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        but she went off the
deep end, unfortunately.
       
    
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        – I think that's what I
love about your story,
       
    
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        your documentary, it's
very real, it's very raw.
       
    
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        You're very respectful
to your ex-wife
       
    
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        in the documentary,
but the language that
       
    
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        you allow your bandmates to use
in talking about Christians,
       
    
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        which is very negative
in the beginning
       
    
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        part of the documentary,
the level of brokenness
       
    
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        and despair you allow
people to see in your life
       
    
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        is quite frankly, exhilarating
for me, exhilarating.
       
    
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        It seems like the longer
I'm a follower of Christ,
       
    
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        the more I'm supposed to
have everything together.
       
    
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        And there is a level of
you do spiritually mature
       
    
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        and you do figure out life
       
    
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        and you get closer with God
       
    
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        and you don't step
in the same potholes
       
    
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        as you did when
you were 16 or 26.
       
    
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        But you just ripped
the mask off of that.
       
    
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        You're just like,
"Here's my life,
       
    
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        here's what God's done for me."
       
    
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        And you're talking
about your wife
       
    
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        and your daughter
just reminds you of that.
       
    
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        So I just say, kudos, man.
       
    
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        I just hope that that
spirit, that ethic, if you will,
       
    
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        infiltrates our entire church
       
    
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        and our entire country
because it's needed desperately.
       
    
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        – I hope that you
guys talk about
       
    
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        these hard issues
at your church,
       
    
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        whether it's smaller groups.
       
    
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        And I know you do,
you have counseling.
       
    
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        You have -- we
have to deal with it.
       
    
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        And that's what I wanted
to do in this documentary,
       
    
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        because you know how many
       
    
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        broken Korn fans are out there?
       
    
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        I mean, so many
people came to Korn
       
    
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        because our singer
sing about pain.
       
    
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        We sang about child abuse.
       
    
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        We sing about, you
know, just parental issues,
       
    
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        bullying, all this stuff,
       
    
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        when we first
started especially.
       
    
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        And these kids,
man, back in the day,
       
    
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        they would run to
us and just tell us like
       
    
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        we make them
want to keep living.
       
    
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        We just did 700 meet and
greets on Zoom during COVID.
       
    
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        And every single -- we
did it for over a month,
       
    
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        like 20 people a night
for three nights a week.
       
    
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        Every single night
there was adults saying,
       
    
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        "Like, I wouldn't
have this family,
       
    
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        these kids run around behind me
       
    
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        if it wasn't for you guys.
       
    
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        I had a gun to my
head and just thank you.
       
    
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        I just wanted to tell
you thank you for
       
    
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        I have my family because
your music helped me."
       
    
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        And so it's just --
       
    
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        – "Your music helped me"?
       
    
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        Korn isn't known is
uplifting and inspiring,
       
    
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        encouraging Christian
music. Or is it?
       
    
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        – If you read the
Psalms where David's
       
    
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        getting chased by, you
know, and what is he saying?
       
    
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        He's saying, my eyes
are, you would know,
       
    
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        you're a pastor, but his
eyes are swollen from tears
       
    
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        and all the stuff. I'm
in despair, everything.
       
    
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        – Laments, it's the laments.
       
    
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        – Right. He's lamenting.
       
    
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        Korn has done that in music.
       
    
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        And yeah, there's some
FU's and, you know,
       
    
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        and, you know, you
treated me this way.
       
    
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        But it's a step into
healing for these people.
       
    
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        Maybe it's not a complete
healing and forgiveness
       
    
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        and into God's,
you know, all that.
       
    
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        But God has used it massively
       
    
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        as a step to keep people living.
       
    
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        – What was the tipping
point for you spiritually
       
    
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        when you when you
came to Christ, whatever,
       
    
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        I don't even know what
nomenclature you prefer?
       
    
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        When you came to
Christ, you got converted,
       
    
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        you got saved, you
felt the love of God.
       
    
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        Was there a unique
tipping point moment
       
    
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        or did you just gradually
       
    
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        grow into relationship
with Christ?
       
    
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        – It was a handful of things.
       
    
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        It was, okay, I was desperate
       
    
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        for freedom from
addiction because
       
    
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        I ended up going overseas.
       
    
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        I was such an addict that I took
       
    
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        eight balls of meth with me.
       
    
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        I ran out of drugs in
Europe and I had my dealer
       
    
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        send me three more
eight balls of meth
       
    
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        inside of these
candles that he made.
       
    
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        And I've watched
them be FedExed.
       
    
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        And it was when FedEx tracking
       
    
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        early 2000's was
starting to take off.
       
    
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        And I watched
them get sent to me.
       
    
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        I thought I was -- I
was paranoid that
       
    
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        I was going to get caught
       
    
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        and they're going to
find them in the scanners,
       
    
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        you know, because I'm
watching a show on Netflix
       
    
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        about border
security and I'm like,
       
    
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        "Wow, that's how they do it.
       
    
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        They could have
easily found my drugs."
       
    
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        So that's when I
got to the bottom
       
    
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        and I needed to get
-- I needed to get free.
       
    
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        And so once I went to rehabs
       
    
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        and AA and NA, all that stuff,
       
    
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        I got some some hope and
wisdom from those places,
       
    
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        but I couldn't stop.
       
    
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        So what I needed from
Christ was -- or church people.
       
    
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        I don't even think
Christ, like I couldn't.
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:48
        If God is real, you
can't know until you die.
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:51
        So but I go around
these church people
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:53
        because I want them
to help me get sober.
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:54
        And then they
introduced me to Christ,
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:57
        that He's living and
He'll come and live
       
    
      - 
        
00:11:59
        inside of you and
He'll reveal that to you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:02
        And if you stay seeking
Him, three things:
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:06
        going to church, fellowshipping
with other Christians
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:09
        and learning from them
and reading your Bible.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:12
        That's what the
pastor told me to do,
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:14
        if I kept doing that,
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:15
        Christ would be revealed to me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:17
        And Jesus said,
"If you love me."
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:20
        – Go to church, interact
with other believers,
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:22
        read your Bible? And
you did those three things?
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:24
        – I did those three things.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:25
        I was like, OK, if you crazy
Ned Flanders Christians
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:30
        are lying to me, I'm going
to find out in a month.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:34
        But if not, I've
actually found out
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:38
        the meaning of life
through it, because
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:40
        Christ revealed Himself to me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:41
        Jesus said, "If you love me,
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:42
        that He would
manifest himself to you."
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:44
        In John 14 He said He
would manifest himself.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:46
        He manifest Himself
to me. And once --
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:49
        So, OK, that's --I needed
freedom from addiction
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:53
        from Him, but what
I didn't know was
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:55
        that the whole reason
for living is knowing Him.
       
    
      - 
        
00:12:58
        And so once my addiction
was done, I was like,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:01
        "Oh my gosh, I
didn't know this dream
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:05
        could come into my life,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:07
        that I didn't even
have a desire to.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:09
        I didn't know I could
know Jesus like this."
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:11
        All the love that
crushed my heart,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:13
        the relationships
that didn't work,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:15
        Jesus would never do that to me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:17
        He would never leave me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:18
        He would never crush
my heart like that,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:20
        even if I treated Him bad,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:23
        like I did the
girls in the past,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:24
        my ex-wife when she
left me and that other girl.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:27
        If I did worse to Jesus,
He would never leave.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:30
        He would never
abandon my heart like that.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:33
        I was like, so addicted
to staying with Him
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:37
        and working through
this process with Him.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:40
        It's like -- and
people were like,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:41
        "Man, this is just a phase.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:42
        You're coming off
of meth. You know?
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:44
        You're trading one
addiction for another.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:47
        You know, it's
not going to stay."
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:48
        And I'm like, "You
don't understand,
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:50
        I found the meaning of life."
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:52
        So I started getting Jesus
tattooed and scriptures.
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:54
        I was like, I'll show
them, you know?
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:56
        Matthew 11:28,
that's the scripture that
       
    
      - 
        
00:13:58
        this guy sent it to
me I went off meth,
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:00
        right before I went
to church he was like,
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:02
        "I felt like Jesus gave
me this scripture for you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:05
        I've never done this before,
but I'm giving it to you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:07
        Don't think I'm weird, please.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:09
        It says Matthew
11:28, 'Come to me, '
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:12
        Jesus says, "All who
are weary and burdened
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:14
        and I will give you rest.'"
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:15
        And I just was like
that's the scripture
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:19
        that got me and started
opening up the life, you know?
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:25
        – That's amazing.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:27
        What I love, there's
so many things I love
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:31
        about you and love
about your story.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:33
        One of the things is just how
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:37
        you still are finding a way
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:41
        to represent Jesus
inside of your occupation.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:46
        You know, if you
can figure out a way
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:48
        to represent Jews
inside of a metal band
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:51
        and actually change
the band, in many ways.
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:53
        You guys pray for people
at your concerts even, right?
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:57
        – I do. – You do?
       
    
      - 
        
00:14:58
        – Yeah.
– And that's why some people
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:00
        were getting on those Zoom calls
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:01
        and talking about
those things with you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:04
        I think all of us
could figure out
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:06
        how to represent Christ
and whatever job we are,
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:08
        and the world would
probably be a lot more different
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:10
        and our lives
would be different.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:12
        And I want to ask you to
make a little shift right now.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:14
        Are you up for a challenge,
Brian Head Welch?
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:16
        – Always up for a challenge.
– Are you up for a challenge?
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:19
        – Yes. – All right.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:20
        First of all, you said
you're very emotional.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:22
        Is that -- I never asked
you about your tattoos
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:24
        with the teardrops and
stuff on the side of your eyes.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:26
        Is that coming out of --
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:28
        – I got those laser
tattoo removal.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:30
        Look, they're almost gone
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:32
        because people thought
I killed two people.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:35
        You know, teardrops mean murder.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:36
        I'm just joking. They
were -- They were too --
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:38
        I didn't like them on
the side or whatever.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:40
        – Well, I like them.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:41
        – Thank you. Well, I'm
not putting them back.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:43
        – It fits your
ethic. That's good.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:44
        – Thanks.
– But let's play preaching time.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:48
        I'm going to give you like
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:50
        three one-minute
sermon opportunities.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:53
        Can you do it? Are you
up for that opportunity?
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:55
        – Of course.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:56
        – OK, so let's say you're
preaching right now.
       
    
      - 
        
00:15:59
        You got one minute
to talk to everybody
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:02
        who's dealing with addiction.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:05
        Preach to them right
now. What do you say?
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:07
        – In that camera? – Sure.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:09
        – Or to you? – That camera.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:12
        – So there is a healthy
addiction you can have
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:14
        and that's a love that
comes from another realm.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:18
        Once you touch that, and I mean,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:20
        I would just say my story,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:21
        once you touch
that love, you kind of
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:24
        put down these little --
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:25
        like those other addictions
seem like little toys.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:27
        It's like your child,
you have these toys
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:29
        and your parents
come in and bring you
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:31
        this big truck and you're like,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:33
        you just throw those toys away
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:35
        and you go to the truck.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:36
        It's like that when
you meet Christ,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:37
        these little addictions,
you throw them away
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:39
        and you just follow
this big great, forgiving,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:45
        loving God that
doesn't judge you,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:49
        that just as mercy,
nothing but mercy for you,
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:52
        kindness, and the
power to give you
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:56
        to overcome all
of your addictions.
       
    
      - 
        
00:16:58
        And it happened to me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:00
        I mean, if Jesus can
set a crazy rock star
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:05
        with all the drugs
that I wanted.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:08
        I had all the
money that I wanted
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:10
        to buy all the
drugs that I wanted.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:11
        If you could set
me free from drugs,
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:14
        then obviously, your
addictions are nothing to Him.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:17
        It's simple.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:19
        – Ok, now give a minute
sermon to those of us
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:25
        who some of us
may be millionaires
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:27
        or be on top of the world
in terms of world success,
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:30
        but the self-loathing and
the sense of rejection,
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:34
        the need to measure up is
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:35
        a never-ending CD in
the back of their mind.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:38
        What do you preach to us?
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:39
        – Oh, man. You put
me on the spot now.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:41
        – Yeah.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:42
        – I mean, Paul said
in the New Testament
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:46
        that he has learned
the secret of being
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:49
        content in life with having --
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:52
        with being in want and being
in need and having plenty.
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:56
        So I look at that
as him saying like
       
    
      - 
        
00:17:59
        he's been rich
and he's been poor
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:01
        and he's found the
secret of being content
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:04
        in both situations.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:05
        And that secret
is in the next verse
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:08
        where he says,
"I can do all things
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:09
        through Christ who
strengthens me."
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:11
        And in my life, I was definitely
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:13
        living on couches before Korn.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:15
        I was eating Top Ramen.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:17
        I was definitely homeless.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:19
        And I lived both
of those realms.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:24
        I lived poor, then I
got rich without Christ.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:27
        I was a poor alcoholic,
Top Ramen eaten poor guy.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:33
        And I was a rich rock
star without Christ.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:36
        And I was a failure at both.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:37
        Once I met Christ, I
was a multimillionaire
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:41
        and I didn't have
that contentment.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:45
        When I had all the money,
when I was walking with Christ,
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:48
        I ended up with all
these emotional problems
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:50
        and I lost all my money.
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:52
        Then I went back
to the poor realm,
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:54
        not really poor or homeless,
       
    
      - 
        
00:18:55
        but I lost all my millions
and ended up in bankruptcy.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:00
        The Lord showed me
that He took care of me
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:02
        in my need, just like Paul said,
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:05
        and He brought me contentment
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:06
        when I was in lack
during the bankruptcy.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:09
        Then He started piling
back onto me the riches
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:12
        and giving me blessings,
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:14
        financial blessings,
and everything.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:16
        And now I'm learning
all of this other stuff
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:19
        with investments and
everything and walk
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:21
        and being content
with the riches.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:22
        So it's like He teaches you
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:25
        how to be in charge
of your finances
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:29
        and He teaches you
that He'll take care
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:31
        of you when you
don't have finances.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:33
        It's just He's everything, man.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:35
        And and I would just say,
anybody rich out there --
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:38
        This is longer than a minute.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:39
        Anybody that's rich
and successful out there
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:41
        and you're trying
to measure up, man,
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:43
        just surrender, just surrender,
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:46
        and you give
your heart to Christ
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:47
        and let Him hold you,
because that stuff is --
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:50
        it can be here today
and gone tomorrow.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:54
        – Ok, one minute preaching
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:56
        to people who
are single parents.
       
    
      - 
        
00:19:59
        – Ok, so I'm the classic example
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:02
        of a parent who
loved their kids,
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:06
        but massively made
mistakes before Jesus
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:09
        and after Jesus.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:11
        I would just say to
you single parents that
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:14
        you can do it and
God is with you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:17
        God says He's a
father to the fatherless,
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:20
        so that also means
He can be like
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:23
        a mother to the motherless.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:25
        And my daughter grew
up without her mother
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:27
        and God was right there
helping us along the way.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:31
        He was right there
healing my mistakes
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:35
        and leading us
to the right people.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:38
        And even when my
daughter got rebellious
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:41
        because of wounds
from her childhood,
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:44
        He helped me be strong
enough to use tough love
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:47
        to get her into a
therapeutic boarding school
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:50
        to make her life
just flourish and heal.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:54
        And so every step of the
way, I would say to you,
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:58
        single parent, I know the pain.
       
    
      - 
        
00:20:59
        I know how hard it
is, but do everything
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:02
        you can do to train
your children up with God
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:08
        so that they don't
depart from it.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:10
        And even if it's tough
love before they're 18,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:13
        don't let them go.
Don't let them go.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:17
        Do everything you
can to show them love,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:20
        but also to be there.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:22
        Because children,
they need discipline
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:24
        and they need to
know that you're going
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:26
        to step out there and stop them
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:29
        if they're going the wrong way.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:32
        Because something,
even if they're like
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:35
        they're yelling
that they hate you,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:38
        deep down in their souls
they want to see that
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:41
        because a parent that lets
kids do whatever they want,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:43
        it shows them that --
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:45
        – They're not
worth fighting for.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:47
        – Yeah, they're not
worth fighting for.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:48
        Maybe they do love them,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:49
        but they're not
worth fighting for.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:51
        So there's something
in the soul of children
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:54
        that need that and want that.
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:56
        That's what it says
in the Bible, that,
       
    
      - 
        
00:21:58
        you know, it's healthy
to discipline out of love,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:00
        it's very important.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:01
        So don't give up again.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:04
        Again, a messy rock
star, single parent,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:06
        messed so many
things up with my child.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:09
        And she is doing amazing,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:10
        working for a
nonprofit, 22 years old,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:13
        and I'm so proud of her.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:14
        So keep your head up.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:16
        – Is there anything
you want to talk about
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:18
        that I didn't prompt you with
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:20
        or that we haven't
talked about yet?
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:25
        – Off the top of my head?
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:27
        – And you can say
no too. That's fine.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:34
        Yeah, I would.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:36
        I would just want to say
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:37
        there's a lot of people in
big churches and small,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:40
        you know, especially
big churches
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:42
        where they come and, you
know, they hear about God
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:46
        and they hear about
what God can do.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:49
        And sometimes in small
churches or big churches,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:53
        you can get lost
in the fact that,
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:56
        and I know your
heart is the same way.
       
    
      - 
        
00:22:58
        That God has given
us these churches
       
    
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        and this message
in the Bible is about
       
    
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        one on one relationship
that we don't have,
       
    
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        we don't go to God
through the pastor.
       
    
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00:23:09
        We don't come to see a sermon.
       
    
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        We don't -- we're not
living our relationship
       
    
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        through a spiritual leader.
       
    
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        The churches are
meant to be a spiritual
       
    
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        filling station for
us to go home
       
    
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        and spend every day with
our relationship with God.
       
    
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        He wants us to have a
personal relationship with God
       
    
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        and to build us up
in that relationship.
       
    
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        And I love what
you guys do here.
       
    
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        And because it's just all about
       
    
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        building that relationship
with, of course,
       
    
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        with the church body,
that's so important.
       
    
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00:23:43
        I wouldn't got I
wouldn't have got clean
       
    
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        if I didn't have that
church body and friends.
       
    
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        But seriously, Jesus,
He squashed all that stuff
       
    
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        where we've got
to go through man.
       
    
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00:23:53
        You go directly to Jesus,
spent time with at home,
       
    
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        talk to Him on your way to work.
       
    
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        And I talked to Him
in the bathroom.
       
    
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        I talked to Him on
my way to work,
       
    
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00:24:02
        going shopping, in
my car all the time,
       
    
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00:24:04
        when I wake up,
when I go to bed.
       
    
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00:24:05
        He's always there and
He wants that relationship.
       
    
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00:24:08
        So He died for a
relationship. Don't abandon it.
       
    
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        And I'm talking to myself, too,
       
    
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        because I get lazy, too,
sometimes spiritually.
       
    
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        So that's my number one message
       
    
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        is intimacy with
God a relationship.
       
    
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        That's what He died for.
       
    
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        – Brian, thanks for
pouring into us today.
       
    
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        Man, it's just been
great being your friend,
       
    
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        and I look forward to
seeing what God's going
       
    
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00:24:30
        to do with your life
       
    
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00:24:31
        and in our friendship
of the future.
       
    
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        Thanks, brother.
       
    
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        – Yes, I love you, man.
– I love you, too.
       
    
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        – If you'd like
another dive on Brian,
       
    
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00:24:43
        I had him on my podcast
called The Aggressive Life.
       
    
      - 
        
00:24:46
        You can go to
Crossroads.net/podcasts
       
    
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00:24:49
        and you can find
that Aggressive Life
       
    
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00:24:50
        podcast with Brian Walsh.
       
    
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00:24:52
        All these things that
we do, we do to help you
       
    
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        and help me get to a
new place spiritually
       
    
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        and sense God's
presence in our life.
       
    
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00:25:01
        And that happens in
part because people
       
    
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00:25:04
        are faithful to God
with the blessings
       
    
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00:25:06
        that He's given us,
we're givers in return.
       
    
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00:25:09
        You can give right
now if you want
       
    
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00:25:10
        to support our
church and help us
       
    
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00:25:12
        get God's word into
your heart, my heart
       
    
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        at Crossroads.net/give.
       
    
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00:25:17
        Some of us kind of just throw
some money here and there,
       
    
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00:25:19
        others of us are very
disciplined about it
       
    
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        and we actually tithe,
       
    
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        give 10% of our money
to the work of God.
       
    
      - 
        
00:25:25
        If you want to try
that out, it's actually
       
    
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00:25:26
        a test that God
encouraged us to take.
       
    
      - 
        
00:25:29
        It's called a Tithe Test
and you can do that with us.
       
    
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00:25:31
        If you try this for 90 days
       
    
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        and you don't see God
meet you where you are,
       
    
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00:25:36
        we will refund you
all of that money.
       
    
      - 
        
00:25:37
        Go to Crossroads.net/tithetest.
       
    
      - 
        
00:25:42
        Well, now we're going to
come with God through music.
       
    
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00:25:44
        It's another way for
us to come to Him
       
    
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        with our hearts and our minds
       
    
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00:25:47
        and have a connection with Him.
       
    
      - 
        
00:25:49
        So let's worship him
together right now.
       
    
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        – Hi, everybody,
my name is Josh,
       
    
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        and I get the joy, the pleasure
       
    
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00:25:59
        of being able to
lead you in worship.
       
    
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00:26:01
        And one of the things
that as a Christ follower
       
    
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00:26:04
        that I know to be
true is that the story,
       
    
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00:26:07
        God's story is
one of redemption.
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:09
        So Genesis to Revelation,
front to back of the Bible,
       
    
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00:26:13
        it's God makes
something awesome,
       
    
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00:26:15
        something totally
terrible happens,
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:17
        and then God redeems it.
       
    
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00:26:19
        And that is the arc of my faith.
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:22
        High, very highs, very
high highs, very low lows.
       
    
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00:26:26
        And then the Lord comes
in and He brings it up.
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:28
        And there's a reality
that sometimes
       
    
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00:26:32
        in those low places,
it is hard to see
       
    
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00:26:35
        the redemption happening.
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:37
        It's hard to see the work
of God in the low places.
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:39
        And there's a promise
in scripture in Joel 2:25:
       
    
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00:26:49
        Now, where I live in Cincinnati,
       
    
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00:26:51
        we just got over
this swarm of cicadas
       
    
      - 
        
00:26:56
        and it's not quite locusts
destroying everything.
       
    
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00:26:59
        But with those
cicadas, I mean, it was
       
    
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        sometimes cacophonous volume,
       
    
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00:27:04
        like you would
walk out your door
       
    
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00:27:06
        and it would be so loud
you could not hear anything.
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:09
        And that's the reality of
some of those low places,
       
    
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00:27:11
        like the brokenness and
the loneliness that we feel,
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:15
        the desperation, it
just gets cacophonous.
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:18
        And Jesus says,
"I'm going to step in
       
    
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00:27:20
        and I'm going to
shut that noise off
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:22
        and I'm going to
bring you redemption."
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:24
        So this song that
we're going to sing
       
    
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00:27:25
        is just -- it's a
declaration of that.
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:27
        It's saying, yeah,
from front to back,
       
    
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00:27:30
        God, you are about the
business of redemption.
       
    
      - 
        
00:27:32
        So I just invite you
to sing this with us.
       
    
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00:29:46
        – That's a pretty
crazy thing to say,
       
    
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00:29:49
        hallelujah for the Cross,
hallelujah for the grave,
       
    
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00:29:52
        but that's the reality for us.
       
    
      - 
        
00:29:54
        In order for redemption
to happen in our lives,
       
    
      - 
        
00:29:57
        Jesus goes, "Great. I'm
going to give my life for you,
       
    
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00:29:59
        which is an incredible thing.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:01
        So this next part
of this song says,
       
    
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00:30:03
        God, you keep hope alive.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:06
        And I'll say for myself,
lately, things have not been --
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:13
        Hope has not been alive
lately. I'll just say that.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:16
        And the reality is
I have to go back,
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:20
        so I have to go back to
this idea of redemption.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:22
        God is constantly redeeming.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:24
        So if I know that to be true,
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:25
        the hopelessness I
feel right now is not void.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:29
        There is a continuum.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:31
        And in that continuum
of redemption happening,
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:34
        I'm going to find
some more hope.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:36
        And so we can say,
honestly, yes, God,
       
    
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00:30:37
        you keep hope alive,
even though right now
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:40
        I don't see it, I'm
going to choose to trust
       
    
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00:30:43
        and believe that hope is rising.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:46
        Hope is swelling up as a part of
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:48
        your arc of
redemption, so sing this.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:51
        If you're in a place where
you like, "Yeah, that's me."
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:53
        Join with me. Join with me.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:56
        Go, "Yeah, I don't feel
it, but I'm going to trust it.
       
    
      - 
        
00:30:58
        I'm going to believe
that it's there.
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:00
        Because you see, God, you
keep hope alive in my marriage.
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:03
        You keep hope alive
with my daughter.
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:05
        You keep hope alive in my job,
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:07
        in my sickness, in my finances.
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:10
        God, you keep hope
alive in my sexuality.
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:12
        You keep hope alive
in my talents, my gifts,
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:18
        my job, my vocation,
all of those things,
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:20
        You keep hope alive, God."
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:22
        So sing that as a
declaration of something
       
    
      - 
        
00:31:25
        I want to aspire to.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:36
        – Man, it's great
being with you today.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:39
        I hope you got a lot out of
Brian Head Welsh, my buddy.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:41
        Man, he is a deep well for sure.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:44
        Hey, you can have stuff
like this every single week.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:46
        We want to help you.
We want to partner with you.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:48
        Whatever your stuff might be.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:50
        If you're dealing
with addiction,
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:51
        if you're dealing with
loneliness, hopelessness,
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:54
        you can go to
Crossroads.net/getstarted.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:57
        We want to be in your life.
       
    
      - 
        
00:33:59
        We'd love for you
to be incorporated
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:00
        inside of our community.
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:02
        Next week, we've got another
guy named David Mahan
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:05
        who's coming in and he's got
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:06
        some really deep stuff for us.
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:08
        He's going to talk about
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:10
        what would Jesus
do about public policy?
       
    
      - 
        
00:34:13
        We'll see you next
week. Don't miss it.